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Travel Talking Electronic Dictionary Ectaco P800 Pocket Talking Electronic Dictionary and Travel Audio PhraseBook™ ECTACO® Partner® (More) Pocket Talking Electronic Dictionary and Travel Audio PhraseBook™ ECTACO® Partner® P800 translates words, phrases and any text from/into many foreign languages: English, Arabic, Bulgarian, Chinese, Czech, Farsi, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Ukrainian, etc. (Less)
Sam Harris: May be you are a Atheistic Sufi. No I am Not kelveto
Actually I find that you are not a Moslem but rather a person who has spiritual feelings (More) kelveto
Actually I find that you are not a Moslem but rather a person who has spiritual feelings and realises that the sort of religiosity in your community upsets you.
Maybe you are a atheistic Sufi. I'm just guessing here. Sorry if I'm wrong. My point is that you seem to seriously believe in religion. At least Orthodox Islam.
There are many contradictions in Islam. Do we need to understand Arabic to engage in an understanding of a proper interpretation of Islamic principles? How would it seem to you if I request the same of you to understand the English language with its Latin, Greek, etc. origins? Would I not jump on the same bandwagon as yourself to say that perchance your interpretation of what Sam Harris spoke about is less than your precise understanding of the English language?
Let's be fair, Obaid. People are intelligent enough to get what your Koran wants to say. Which version of it do you promote? Yusuf Ali? Pitckall? or some other Indian Moslems interpretators? How about Ghazali's?
Meanings are meanings. If the tanslator can render appropriate meanings, it's the translator's fault. But too many translators can't be wrong, my friend. Unless you're talking about Ibnul Arabi's texts, or Mansur al-Hallaj or even Bistami's texts. There's not may translators of them in English.
Your point is moot. Every educated Moslem knows the harsh language of the Koran including injunctions on the infidels. Of course, Allah ultimately decides BUT it's there in the text. And interspersed from various suras.
There are internal contradictions in aqida as well. Moslems have plenty of heretics over the centuries who were also killed. There was a Moslem Inquisition but few talk about it these days. If you commit adultery, you gotta be stoned to death? If you're unmarried, you'll be whipped 100 times man or women. If you missed your daily prayers, you must be counselled, thereafter if you still persists, you will be killed. Of course, some schools would say: house arrest first.
Would your hands not be decapitated if you steal? How come Moslems are so uneducated of the Shari'a? I'm refering to Moslems outside the Arab world in SEA, Indonesia, etc.? I do know that it is not easy to get 4 witnesses to accuse someone of rape. Some schools don't even accept DNA test results?
Man gets more portion of inheritance than women. Erm...but aren't women equal to men? Of course, in your society they do not want that. They want women to be equal but not equitable. But that's not in practice.
Many Moslems scholars are at odds with one another on aqida and fiqh. You have as many as 12? schools of fiqh, of which only 4-6 major ones remain.
Moslems have killed more people in the name of God than for any other reasons. In fact, Moslems killed among themselves more in their Islamic history because of differences of opinions. You are lucky to be born in this century.
600 years ago, your views will be a big problem. Anyhow, I respect your views and opinions in as far as I think you are able to defend your beliefs well.
kelveto
Moslems may have forgotten the Battle of Camel and scholars don't talk much about it. Who was right? Aisha or Ali? That battle killed thousands of Moslems lives even when your Prophet said: Follow my companions. They are guides like the stars that you see at night. Are you gonna tell me: that hadith is not authentic? Believe what you will...you know far well the contradictions in your book.
Also, my mother is most merciful than Allah. She doesn't want to fry people in fire. Oh! Maybe there is a different interpretation to fire i.e. we are 'distanced' from Allah. As kuffar means to cover. I am not covering not shit Obaid.
There are many aqidas....Sunnis, Shias and their denominations...mutazilites, Qadariyyas, wahabism and many more.
WWHOSE INTERPRETATION WHO WANNA CHAMPION HERE, my friend?
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